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Ministers join speed camera debate in St. Louis County

St Louis Post Dispatch -- ST. LOUIS COUNTY • A group of local ministers today called on County Council members to put the debate over speed enforcement cameras before voters.

The ministers don't believe the cameras have made roads safer and argue that the tickets they generate are hurting people who can least afford them. They want the County Council to place the issue of regulating speed cameras on a ballot.

"We certainly think they need to put an end to these things just being used as speed traps," said the Rev. B.T. Rice of New Horizon Christian Church, who organized a news conference this morning at Shalom Church City of Peace in Florissant with eight other ministers from north St. Louis County.

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Cashless Champion Author Akron Posts:3,530 Points:736,255 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 8:44:18 AM Ignore Cashless Report Abuse Good to know.
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SovietSunrise Champion Author San Antonio Posts:7,899 Points:1,117,010 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:30:46 AM Ignore SovietSunrise Report Abuse "If you're speeding and/or driving recklessly, you're putting much more in jeopardy than the cost of a speeding ticket. Say for instance, oh I don't know, killing someone, ruining lives and going to jail! If you're going to speed, then don't be shocked by a ticket." If I'm "speeding" in a place with an speed limit set artificially low for the purpose of revenue generation, am I really putting anyone in danger? Really? Ha!
SovietSunrise Champion Author San Antonio Posts:7,899 Points:1,117,010 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:28:38 AM Ignore SovietSunrise Report Abuse "Don't break the law and you get no ticket fine." You really think it's that simple? What if the law is wrong? What if the reasoning for the law is for revenue generation and not for public safety?
danindenver Champion Author Denver Posts:5,500 Points:1,240,730 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:49:42 PM Ignore danindenver Report Abuse Actually, in Colorado, the legislature realized that speed cameras were simply a cash grab and they acted to restrict it. It's hard though, when you have so many folks out there who don't understand what is going on with this issue - and don't care. Perhaps we should crack down on jetski scofflaws, next. "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Floyd Ferris in Atlas Shrugged Don't be a Floyd.
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,911 Points:775,195 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:33:55 PM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse follow the speed limit!
mpg611 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,347 Points:571,960 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:32:46 PM Ignore mpg611 Report Abuse Love it when people who vote for and elect big government and their ideals are now moaning and groaning about it.
sprocketsplines Champion Author Washington Posts:1,697 Points:863,565 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:23:43 PM Ignore sprocketsplines Report Abuse The ministers are concerned that money that would have gone to the church is being redirected to municipal coffers through the speed camera ticketing of church goers.
QuagmireLA Champion Author Louisiana Posts:1,079 Points:160,365 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:15:32 PM Ignore QuagmireLA Report Abuse Hey mrbee: If you get the traffic cams outta Arkansas let me know how and I'll strat on Louisiana next. Good luck
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judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,585 Points:2,448,060 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:06:33 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse voters pay for this in taxes so they should decide how their money is spent
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,768 Points:2,468,535 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:00:57 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse I am for putting an end to them.
BigKart All-Star Author Indianapolis Posts:776 Points:227,100 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 10:00:43 PM Ignore BigKart Report Abuse Cameras are usually installed by a party who gets a cut of the ticket money in one way or another. Sending a ticket to the registered (plate) owner does not ensure that the person who broke the law pays.
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mabrams184 Champion Author Lexington Posts:2,109 Points:535,740 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:58:51 PM Ignore mabrams184 Report Abuse Speed Trap = Money Trap
gabfiore Sophomore Author San Diego Posts:151 Points:86,925 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:57:42 PM Ignore gabfiore Report Abuse If you're speeding and/or driving recklessly, you're putting much more in jeopardy than the cost of a speeding ticket. Say for instance, oh I don't know, killing someone, ruining lives and going to jail! If you're going to speed, then don't be shocked by a ticket.
SalukiCO Sophomore Author Colorado Springs Posts:199 Points:242,545 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:53:17 PM Ignore SalukiCO Report Abuse The only reason they care is because it cuts in to church profit when the congregation is spending their money on fines instead of dropping it in the church bank.
SpankyMI Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:2,723 Points:762,205 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:53:16 PM Ignore SpankyMI Report Abuse The keyword here is 'speed trap', which they are.
preacherjohn Champion Author Modesto Posts:3,998 Points:1,921,670 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:45:18 PM Ignore preacherjohn Report Abuse humm..m
kmurphy345 Veteran Author Toronto Posts:457 Points:152,055 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:41:59 PM Ignore kmurphy345 Report Abuse ok
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,080 Points:1,734,140 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:39:19 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse look at the studies less accidents means safer DUH
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,213 Points:874,085 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:37:42 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse Of course it doesn't make a difference to safety, it is all about income for government.
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,212 Points:792,160 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:37:10 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse Blah ...
pbear316 Champion Author Akron Posts:2,045 Points:680,065 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:32:35 PM Ignore pbear316 Report Abuse Ok
mrselfdestruct Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,009 Points:169,550 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:27:59 PM Ignore mrselfdestruct Report Abuse Lol, you should let them try redlight cameras... Usually shorten the yellow lights to go with it.
QuagmireLA Champion Author Louisiana Posts:1,079 Points:160,365 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:26:35 PM Ignore QuagmireLA Report Abuse MILLONS FOR CHARITY !!!!!! NOT ONE DIME for speed trap cameras!! or something to that effect. Giggity !
Jeeputtputt Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,002 Points:677,465 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:26:26 PM Ignore Jeeputtputt Report Abuse ministers??
PoohMcGoo Champion Author Alabama Posts:3,077 Points:802,635 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:22:28 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse Haha, cutting into their donations. Don't break the law and you get no ticket fine.
radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:2,822 Points:756,560 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:21:47 PM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse I wonder if I could get a glamor shot in my Studebaker.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:20:53 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Easy way to balance the city budget. Reduce the speed limit in town and then put a speed camera right at the city limits and catch them as they're slowing down. IOW, these cameras aren't much more than a cash cow.
g747 Champion Author Mobile Posts:4,551 Points:935,620 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:19:25 PM Ignore g747 Report Abuse I whole heartly agree!!!!!!!!!!!!.
afghaned Champion Author Hamilton Posts:11,827 Points:1,288,085 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:15:51 PM Ignore afghaned Report Abuse Are the camera fines cutting into the church donations? Separate church & state.
tutaw Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,623 Points:844,920 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:09:11 PM Ignore tutaw Report Abuse logic wins
Drew316 All-Star Author New York Posts:514 Points:445,085 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:08:03 PM Ignore Drew316 Report Abuse If they're not stopped, they'll just keep putting up cameras all over the place...
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,815 Points:821,260 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:07:35 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Stop big brother from watching us and let real law enforcement officers write tickets!!!
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SandeeC Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,003 Points:461,905 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 9:01:12 PM Ignore SandeeC Report Abuse They used cameras here in Ontario for a while and then pulled them all out. Too many problems. A lot of people were wrongly ticketed. So I agree with these ministers.
REKEY Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,589 Points:1,701,365 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:58:51 PM Ignore REKEY Report Abuse Why don't those nice parishioners just obey the rules of the road?
PissedATthePump All-Star Author Pennsylvania Posts:507 Points:119,580 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:58:24 PM Ignore PissedATthePump Report Abuse I agree.
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bigdipperMS Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,526 Points:539,680 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:54:28 PM Ignore bigdipperMS Report Abuse There has to be a better way.
Dodger007 Champion Author Illinois Posts:11,625 Points:2,396,895 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:53:27 PM Ignore Dodger007 Report Abuse If the ministers condone breaking one law what other laws is it ok to break???
SovietSunrise Champion Author San Antonio Posts:7,899 Points:1,117,010 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:51:28 PM Ignore SovietSunrise Report Abuse Everyone who says that speeding is wrong and illegal should take a long, hard look at whether or not those speed limits that they're talking about are appropriate for the design and condition of the road.
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DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,098 Points:1,393,795 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:49:23 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse Speed cameras make roads more dangerous because people slow down for them and then speed right back up again.
SovietSunrise Champion Author San Antonio Posts:7,899 Points:1,117,010 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:48:44 PM Ignore SovietSunrise Report Abuse "they can't support their church because they're spending their time dealing with these tickets." Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! It's all about the money for the ministers, too!! Bwahahahahaha!!!! Love it. Money, money, money, money. It's all about the money. Pathetic!
spmaudio Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,748 Points:726,070 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 8:44:34 PM Ignore spmaudio Report Abuse God bless these guys! ;-)